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Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby meanlock » Jan 20th, '15, 22:53

Som titlen siger. Har læst og fået fortalt af en ven at det er muligt at adde mass mens man cutter på et kalorie underskud med tren. Virker lidt for godt til at være sandt :ugeek:
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby Built2last4ever » Jan 20th, '15, 22:56

Nogen kan.... du kan dog ikke!
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby Built2last4ever » Jan 20th, '15, 22:58

Og din ven kan heller ikke.

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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby meanlock » Jan 20th, '15, 23:06

Built2last4ever wrote:Og din ven kan heller ikke.

Just to let you know.....


Hmm. Kunne jo tage det som en udfordring. Næste blast er lige om hjørnet og måske kommer man til at cutte på tren istedet :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby Built2last4ever » Jan 20th, '15, 23:15

meanlock wrote:
Built2last4ever wrote:Og din ven kan heller ikke.

Just to let you know.....


Hmm. Kunne jo tage det som en udfordring. Næste blast er lige om hjørnet og måske kommer man til at cutte på tren istedet :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Ja det var klart en udfordring Mr. O. :roll:
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby Monion » Jan 21st, '15, 00:01

meanlock wrote:Som titlen siger. Har læst og fået fortalt af en ven at det er muligt at adde mass mens man cutter på et kalorie underskud med tren. Virker lidt for godt til at være sandt :ugeek:

Hvordan vil du opbygge muskelvæv uden byggesten?
Er det nødvendigt at bulke, eller kan man blot spise flere kalorier?
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby Built2last4ever » Jan 21st, '15, 00:22

Det enhjørningen mener og som han med sikkerhed ikke kan præstere at gøre, er nok at forbrænde nævneværdigt fedt væv og på SAMME TID bygge en lige så nævneværdig omgang muskelfibre op.

Altså noget som en håndfuld meget heldige mennesker kan... mennesker hjulpet af et harem af specialister og top professionelle mennesker inden for BB verdenen. Som også er lidt over gennemsnittet hvad angår størrelse m.m.

Lad os nævne dem I flæng - P. Heat, Ronnie C, Dorian Y, b2l4e etc etc etc :mrgreen:
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby bmw-freak » Jan 21st, '15, 00:51

At tilføje tren alene har ikke den ønskede effekt, så nej det kan i ikke.
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby CBL1991 » Jan 21st, '15, 12:22

Built2last4ever wrote:Det enhjørningen mener og som han med sikkerhed ikke kan præstere at gøre, er nok at forbrænde nævneværdigt fedt væv og på SAMME TID bygge en lige så nævneværdig omgang muskelfibre op.

Altså noget som en håndfuld meget heldige mennesker kan... mennesker hjulpet af et harem af specialister og top professionelle mennesker inden for BB verdenen. Som også er lidt over gennemsnittet hvad angår størrelse m.m.

Lad os nævne dem I flæng - P. Heat, Ronnie C, Dorian Y, b2l4e etc etc etc :mrgreen:

Haha. Har go griner over dine kommentar nogle gange gamle..
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby Built2last4ever » Jan 21st, '15, 12:32

Etc aka CBL1991

selvfølgelig..... :mrgreen:
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby HighDude » Jan 21st, '15, 13:25

Hahaha b2l4e. Du er så meget på tren, din gamle sure mand :D

Men du har ret.

Jeg vil våge den påstand, at min muskelmasse er blevet forøget under min 4½ måneder lange kur, mens jeg har smidt en ordenlig røvfuld fedt. Men det har til gengæld også været en 100% strickt diæt fra min coach, kombineret med 2 gange træninger om dagen HVER dag i 4½ måned.

Dog er det de færreste, det kan lade sig gøre for, og det kræver noget helt særligt. Og en pæn dosis krudt. Så nej, jeg tvivler også på at det vil lykkes fra dig, men lav gerne en udfordring for dig selv og prøv det. Men jeg tvivler også ret meget.
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby vildgut » Jan 21st, '15, 16:52

Altså så sjældent synes jeg nu ikke det er folk reducere fedt mens de gainer muskler jeg ved godt det er ikke signifikant eller optimalt men især folk der lige er begyndt at træne kan sagtens smide noget fedt og gaine noget mulle.

edit: også uden tren 8-)
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby bmw-freak » Jan 21st, '15, 17:48

vildgut wrote:Altså så sjældent synes jeg nu ikke det er folk reducere fedt mens de gainer muskler jeg ved godt det er ikke signifikant eller optimalt men især folk der lige er begyndt at træne kan sagtens smide noget fedt og gaine noget mulle.

edit: også uden tren 8-)

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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby CBL1991 » Jan 21st, '15, 18:40

Det kræver man er 100% dedikeret og holder sig til planen, hvis man kan finde ud af at planlægge vel og mærke.
Jeg gør det også når jeg er on, og river specielt meget fedt af på tren selvom jeg bygger på!
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby CBL1991 » Jan 21st, '15, 18:52

Det kommer også an på hvad ens bf er. Jo højere den er, jo nemmere er det med en ordenlig diet. Skal selv kæmpe når jeg skal under 10 %
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby Sculpturing » Feb 13th, '15, 17:16

Yet another amazing trait that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given Trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. Finding new compounds which can improve feed efficiency is a billion dollar industry, and has spawned many nutritional advances in the bodybuilding world over the last few decades (CLA, Whey Protein, and HMB are compounds which spring to mind as having first been introduced by the livestock industry). What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Trenbolone increases nitrogen retention in muscle tissue (5). This is of note because nitrogen retention is a strong indicator of how anabolic a substance is. However, it's incredible mass building effects do not end there. Trenbolone has the ability to bind with the receptors of the anti-anabolic (muscle destroying) glucocorticoid hormones (6). This may also has the effect of inhibiting the catabolic (muscle destroying) hormone cortisol (7).

APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1994 Feb;72(2):515-22.
APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1990 Sep;68(9):2682-9.

Altså tren øger optagelsen af ernæring, og samtidig har det en anti katabolske effekt. Med det i mente, og det hæfter sig ekstremt effektivt til de androgene receptorer giver det udmærket mening at man godt kan gain muskler og samtidig holde sig lean, OG muligvis gå ned i bf. Vil sige at t3 tilskud er nødvendigt, da har en negativ indvirkning på det. Det har det i hvert fald været for mig.
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby bmw-freak » Feb 13th, '15, 18:21

Sculpturing wrote:Yet another amazing trait that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given Trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. Finding new compounds which can improve feed efficiency is a billion dollar industry, and has spawned many nutritional advances in the bodybuilding world over the last few decades (CLA, Whey Protein, and HMB are compounds which spring to mind as having first been introduced by the livestock industry). What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Trenbolone increases nitrogen retention in muscle tissue (5). This is of note because nitrogen retention is a strong indicator of how anabolic a substance is. However, it's incredible mass building effects do not end there. Trenbolone has the ability to bind with the receptors of the anti-anabolic (muscle destroying) glucocorticoid hormones (6). This may also has the effect of inhibiting the catabolic (muscle destroying) hormone cortisol (7).

APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1994 Feb;72(2):515-22.
APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1990 Sep;68(9):2682-9.

Altså tren øger optagelsen af ernæring, og samtidig har det en anti katabolske effekt. Med det i mente, og det hæfter sig ekstremt effektivt til de androgene receptorer giver det udmærket mening at man godt kan gain muskler og samtidig holde sig lean, OG muligvis gå ned i bf. Vil sige at t3 tilskud er nødvendigt, da har en negativ indvirkning på det. Det har det i hvert fald været for mig.

Man skal så huske at holde sig i mente at der her er tale om dyr der bliver fodret med et højt kacl antal og derfor bygger masse, der ikke tale om en bodybuilder der cutter på lave kacl og cardio..
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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby BigConcrete » Feb 13th, '15, 19:56

bmw-freak wrote:
Sculpturing wrote:Yet another amazing trait that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given Trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. Finding new compounds which can improve feed efficiency is a billion dollar industry, and has spawned many nutritional advances in the bodybuilding world over the last few decades (CLA, Whey Protein, and HMB are compounds which spring to mind as having first been introduced by the livestock industry). What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Trenbolone increases nitrogen retention in muscle tissue (5). This is of note because nitrogen retention is a strong indicator of how anabolic a substance is. However, it's incredible mass building effects do not end there. Trenbolone has the ability to bind with the receptors of the anti-anabolic (muscle destroying) glucocorticoid hormones (6). This may also has the effect of inhibiting the catabolic (muscle destroying) hormone cortisol (7).

APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1994 Feb;72(2):515-22.
APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1990 Sep;68(9):2682-9.

Altså tren øger optagelsen af ernæring, og samtidig har det en anti katabolske effekt. Med det i mente, og det hæfter sig ekstremt effektivt til de androgene receptorer giver det udmærket mening at man godt kan gain muskler og samtidig holde sig lean, OG muligvis gå ned i bf. Vil sige at t3 tilskud er nødvendigt, da har en negativ indvirkning på det. Det har det i hvert fald været for mig.

Man skal så huske at holde sig i mente at der her er tale om dyr der bliver fodret med et højt kacl antal og derfor bygger masse, der ikke tale om en bodybuilder der cutter på lave kacl og cardio..



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Re: Tren cut muskelopbygning

Postby Quadzilla » Feb 14th, '15, 02:54

Man kan sagtens adde muskelmasse hvis man er i kcal underskud og på tren. Ikke overdrevet meget, men der kan sagtens ske noget.
Det mener jeg hvertfald. Jeg har selv prøvet det flere gange på tren. :)
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